1 Samuel 15:22
But Samuel replied: “Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the Lord? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat rams.
King Saul set out to do something seemingly good when he decided to take the plunder from the Amalekites with the idea of using the sheep and cattle to sacrifice them unto the Lord. But God had not told him to do that. He specifically told him not to take anything with him.
As we set out to accomplish our goals and dreams there are many sacrifices that are required. Such as, if you want to lose weight you have to sacrifice time to exercise, make better food choices, submit yourself to some sort of rigid discipline and subject yourself to self-consciousness and self-criticism if you fail. Now sacrifice is not at all bad. Notice that in the scripture it says, Obeying is “better” than Sacrifice. This tells us that sacrifices are ok, but ONE thing is better and that is Obeying God’s commands.
But why is it “better”?
It all comes down to where you put your trust. You see, sacrifice means independence from God. Sacrifices are seen, heard, smelled, touched. Sacrifices show the world our efforts in trying to DO good. And while this is noble in the eyes of man, it is also very blinding and threatens to pull us away from God. Blinding because in all our efforts to do good we are blinded by our own light which is pride. “Look what I did!” “I nailed it!” now this isn’t so bad either but eventually we can forget how “The Lord, is my strength and my Salvation”, “I couldn’t have done this without Him”.
Sacrifices are for the World to see. If King Saul would have obeyed God, he would have had to go back to the people empty handed and they probably would have questioned him and thought he was crazy. Having plunder and bringing it back to the people, holding a large celebratory feast and having something to place on the Altar sounded much more appealing and satisfying. “I didn’t go through all this, to have nothing to show for it!” I mean, after all he didn’t have Social media to post a Selfie with the defeated Amalekite Army behind him!
Sacrifices are hard work too. Imagine after this long war that the Israelites fought with King Saul and then having to haul all of those cattle and sheep and things back home only to be rebuked by the Prophet for your disobedience. Life is like that for us too. We set out to help ourselves and make a lot of sacrifices with the intension to be better and improve our temporary lives on this earth and fail to invest in the Eternal Being that we really are.
Working hard and doing the right thing is not bad at all, in fact it is necessary and noble but don’t get so wrapped up in this temporary life that we become tired, worn down and blinded by The Lust of the Flesh, The Lust of the Eyes and The Pride of Life for this comes from the world and not from the Father, as it says in 1 John 2:16.
Instead, Obey the Lord. He says, “Trust Me.” He says, “Do not boast about tomorrow…and let another praise you, and not your own mouth.” He said, “do not covet your neighbor’s house/ things.”
Obedience, requires patience, trust, stillness, obscurity. It may mean, that you will be rejected, unaccepted and misunderstood. It may mean that no one will ever know what you have had to go through. It may mean that no one will ever see what God asked you to “let Go” of or “sacrifice” for Him. But God said it’s better. He promises to fulfill His purposes in your life if you trust Him. His rewards, accolades and promotions are better when we Obey Him versus Sacrifice.
Are we sacrificing our Love for God to gain the things of this world, so that we can shine? Or are we leaning in to hear His heart for our lives and believing for Him to guide our steps into an Eternal Transformation that promises to make us shine by His grace and for His Glory?
Do you believe that I am HE, the one the prophets wrote about in the days of old?
I Am your Father and I have an eternal kingdom with a place for you. I know you intimately and I desire that you know Me the same.
You often feel a tug and a pull for intimacy; that’s Me drawing you in for closeness. My deep love for you calls unto you. I hear you when you ask me to pull you closer, to take you deeper. I want you to know that at that moment, at that instant I am there. It’s my presence that draws you! Can you hear me, even now?
It's My Glory to conceal a matter and it's your glory to search them out! Know that I am here, now. If you are searching me, it’s because your spirit is aware of me. Rest in me, now. Rest in knowing that I am God and I am here.
Beware of the heart that doesn’t search. Seek me. Always. I AM faithful to Respond.
Don’t you feel me Dancing over you?? Oh, how I rejoice over you with loud singing!!! Oh, how I deeply love you, my beloved! If you could only see the spectacle I make of myself as I Dance! I love when you Dance, doesn’t it make your heart happy? Doesn’t it set you free? I designed it that way. Clever isn’t it, so simple yet so profound. I take the foolish things to confound the wise.
As you praise and worship, I battle for you! The enemy flees when you determine to seek me and when My praise is on your lips.
I promise, vow and devote myself like a ring upon my finger, like a seal upon my heart, that I will deliver you from all your struggles, yes every one of them. You know those THINGS: insecurities, lack of self-control, timidity, fear, pride and even self-righteousness I took them to the cross on that DAY. I continue to fight for you. I have Overcome, I am your Victory. You are free, so Praise freely.
Praise freely for I Am making you brave. I am calling you into the waters beyond the shore. No more fear. You have wet your feet but I want you to dive in and not be afraid.
Hear this: I sing over you, “Come Closer”
I sing over you, “I believe in you”
I sing over you, “I know you and I named you. Your name is on my lips, Mighty Warrior, Son, Daughter, Brave Ones”
Can you feel my love crashing over you? Be still and Know that I Am God. My grace is sufficient; my grace is enough.
As given to me,
The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “Because the Mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.”
At work I was given the task to search blue-prints for instruments and enter a description of the location into a Database that will later be used to help Laborers find the instruments as needed.
Mind you, I had never read a Blue-print in my life nor do I know the instruments, machinery or equipment I was working with. I was nervous and was afraid to make a mistake but I kept hearing, “it’s in the Searching”. I wanted to understand what God was speaking to me through this task. I noticed that the more I searched the more interested I was in learning about the Site and its instruments. The more I searched the more I actually got familiar with what I was looking for.
Later on, the Project Manager that put me on the Task tells me, “Brisy, do the best you can, because the more you do this the more you will understand the processes, instruments and equipment that we are working with. In 3 years you will know this Plant back and forth.”
I knew then that God had been highlighting this in my heart. There is a song that says, ‘It’s the Glory of God to hide, and it’s my glory to search Him out.’
It’s in the Searching. So, do you mean to tell me that God hides from us? Not exactly, not like we know hiding, but instead His mysteries are tucked away in life’s journey, His word and in Worship. Jesus used Parables to make His mysteries/ principles known to those who would not understand easily. The disciples were given the blue-prints. Jesus basically gave them a head start by telling them “Follow Me”. He became a Living Blue-Print, the Word-become-flesh. It is our job and for our benefit that we SEARCH Him out. Search for His truth to be revealed for His love to be manifest in our hearts in ways that blow our minds and Gives Him Glory; others will see the transformation that takes place in us when we “Study the Master” and we become a testimony, a story, A Parable before their eyes.
When we search we learn; things are exposed and things are revealed. His Mysteries become familiar to us, so that when we see His principles at work in the world we can easily recognize it as God’s work, which honors and glorifies Him. We glory in His work as we become ambassadors in the Kingdom. A person who knows and is familiar with a location, a site, a place, a process or thing is exalted and promoted. They are sought after for understanding. They are considered experts in their field.
I want to continue to search God, even when I really don’t know what I’m looking for because in the searching I am sure to stumble upon the mysteries of God and bask in the Glory of His Majesty. As I see His different dimensions I will be changed and become a little wiser, a little more loving, patient, kind, understanding and peaceful, making me more like Jesus. Will you join me in the Searching? Look for Him while He may still be found. Don’t allow for your hearts to be calloused, and your eyes become unable to see. The minute you start to search, you will quickly stumble upon understanding.
This Sunday after church we had a strange occurrence. A man came into the church and perhaps under the influence of some drug or some spirit began to get a little too comfortable with the microphone in a very perverted way. After someone took the mic from him he proceeded to take his obscenity and inappropriate behavior to the fellowship hall of the church where after some confrontation he was escorted out.
This morning I had the opportunity to continue in prayer about the "strange occurrences" of this weekend.
I began to explore on the spiritual meaning of perversion and opened up a floodgate of understanding.
perversion = to alter/change the original purpose of something. to do things in an abnormal or unacceptable way. to corrupt, obstruct or destroy an original intent.
The microphone in a church is a very important tool for voice and messages to be heard. It can be used to spread blessings or curses. It can be uses to correct and influence for the good or can be used to manipulate and sensually influence people to believe lies. nonetheless it is a tool, much like we are in the hands of God.
In my searching for revelation I came across the spirit of Jezebel who is characterized by Bible scholars as a whore and witch. But I wanted to learn more and really see what this has to do with us and this is what I'm seeing:
A person or organization operating in the Spirit of Jezebel carries with it a few key characteristics:
So what does this mean for RED?
I believe we have to guard ourselves from the influence of this spirit. I believe this generation operates in this spirit. people are willing to die for a cause these days. people will go down holding on to their selfish world-views. to get their way people will lie, be false, be sarcastic and intimidating. Many want to be independent but are walking around with "an-eye-for-an-eye" mentality; Vengeful, looking to see or even be part of the destruction of others who have done them wrong or have something they want.
Anyone operating in this spirit stirs up intimidation. preachers may begin to feel intimidated by the congregation, teachers may begin to feel like they don't know what they are talking about. comparisons arise within the servants. envy, jealousy, gossip.
People under this influence, who are usually meek and respectful become daring in the most inappropriate times and they do it in the name of God. believing this is "boldness" as Paul preached it, but there is no love in it.
A person who is operating in this spirit is un-repentant. they really believe they are in the right. they believe everyone else is wrong and they don't want to change or be transformed.
The only way to conquer this spirit is through prayer and remembering that Mercy triumphs over judgment.
We can only confront this in meekness, gentleness and humility. Therein lies the victory.
once, God spoke to me through a person who prayed for me, saying: you are a Sunflower. so I found out that the sunflower is a faithful light-seeker. The sunflower turns to the direction of the Sun, always. it is unwavering in faith and the love of God.
So in light of the fact that "darkness" has wanted to surround me this week, I have decided to "Follow" the light and seek it with all my heart because that's where my victory is. Victory is in the seeking and in the praying.
So let us pray together:
Today I stand "unwavering in my faith" that Jezebel has no influence over me and at RED4C. I declare the spirit of intimidation broken off of us, our pastor, our children, our church and our friends. No weapons of manipulation will prevail over us. We will see it coming and push it back with the Word of God and love.
I stand firm on my faith as Elijah did and stand up against Jezebel like Jahu did and demand that things be Transformed or prepare to be destroyed in the name of Jesus. Jezebel chose to die but I believe that under grace the men and women of God of this age have been equipped by the Holy Spirit to conquer Jezebel with Loving those under her influence. I vow to walk in love, humility, meekness and gentleness because there is victory here. And I will always remember that Mercy Triumphs Over Judgment.
HERE'S A THOUGHT:
Jezebel was being loyal to her god. she was faithful to what she knew and believed onto death. She didn't repent because she didn't believe in Yaweh. Her pride didn't let her repent. She died for her cause.
How many Christians today are that unwavering in their faith?
Let us examine ourselves.
When considering a Christian worldview on dancing I am reminded of 1 Titus 1:15 all things are pure to those who are pure. Much like a child. A child dances freely with nothing malicious in his mind. He is pure at heart and so his dance is pure.
But there are a few questions we should ask ourselves (and this can apply to anything else you may be wondering about that isn’t specifically called a sin or an abomination in the Bible)
1. What are my intentions today?
a. Am I dancing to celebrate, to have fun, to be social, to join in and be a part of, to exercise, for joy?
Or am I trying to draw attention to myself? Am I feeling seductive and want to be?
b. Am I trying to show off or am I lusting when I dance?
2. Do I rely on Dance too much to have a good time? i.e. “I can’t enjoy myself if I’m not dancing!”
a. Has dance become an addiction or god in your life?
b. Does it draw you away from God?
Philippians 4:8 instruct us to think on things that are excellent and of good report, pure, honorable and or lovely. “Whatsoever things” is a clue to us that it can be just about anything… dance, music, the arts can be one of those things that can be “Lovely” “Pure” “good”. Understanding that Balance and self-control, as given by the Holy Spirit is key to choosing anything in life.
Ultimately, it is our choice, the Bible does not specifically talk about Dance as a bad thing nor is it restricted to the believer.
Always remember that God knows our hearts and He is looking at the intentions of our heart. For Him, everything has a purpose and we should live life on purpose, intentionally.
If dancing troubles you, don’t do it until you have brought that before the Lord and searched your heart. If it brings joy and laughter to you and you aren’t moved by it, then by all means, dance.
In Acts 10:9-16 we read about Peter’s vision. Peter has a vision where he saw heaven opened and an object that resembled a large sheet coming down, lowered by it’s four corners to earth. In it were all the four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth and the birds of the sky. Then the Lord said to him, Peter, get up, kill and eat!!” To Peter this was an abomination and perhaps he thought surely God was testing him, so he said No he will not eat anything common and ritually unclean!
But the voice said to him, “What God has made clean, you must not call common. “ Interestingly enough, Paul goes on to record that “this” vision/encounter happened 3 times before the object was taken up into heaven. It was that important to God that we get this: For some it's ok, because God said so.
In this account of Peter’s life God was showing him that He doesn’t play favoritism, “but in every nation the person who fears Him and does righteousness is acceptable to Him”. (vs.35) (the heart)
When we fear God and do righteousness we are acceptable to God. What are those things that defile us? Can dance defile us? The bible says that it is not what goes into our body that defiles us but what comes out of our mouth that makes us unclean. (Matthew 15:11)
So, no matter what we do, what flows out of our hearts while doing it will be the determining factor; the end in sight; that which can make us or break us. At the end of the day, Folks, it all comes down to the condition of your heart. Anything that holds our heart in contempt with God, or binds us to ungodly thoughts or actions, is not pleasing to God. Not because He can’t handle it but because it can ultimately destroys us.
It is for Freedom that He set us free. God sent Jesus Christ who provided us with redemptive power so that we can be free to choose life and live it abundantly, without limits. Limitations can come in religious forms or even worldly forms.
What limits you from experiencing the true freedom of God? If dancing limits you then don’t dance, until you get a full understanding of why. If you feel miserable when you are at a party and feel like you are not allowed to dance and feel a sense of restriction and limited then by all means get up and dance!
There have been times that people have approached Nate and I to strongly tell us their convictions about a matter. Such as, stewardship of money, time management, sin and hell, fears regarding the wrath of God and shame.
While these topics are very important, I had wondered why these subjects didn’t fill me, instead they left me feeling despair and empty.
Fear and despair are not of God. This type of conversation when done out of a spirit of fear is then obviously not spoken of in love and so is just empty noise, making our faith seem cold and empty.
1 Corinthians 13 talk about this: “What if I speak in the most elegant languages of people or in the exotic languages of the heavenly messengers, but I live without love? Well then, anything I say is like the clanging of brass or a crashing cymbal.”
But deeper still is when the scripture goes on to tell us what Love does and what is doesn’t do.
Notice that it says in the NKJV that Love “thinks no evil”. Then it goes on to say, “Love bears, believes, hopes and endures ALL things”.
ALL things! What are all things?
All things are all things, right?
When people are out of order around us, if we are walking in Love, what should be our appropriate response to the chaos, then??
Well, Love is patient, Love is Kind, love does not envy, love does not parade itself or boasts, love is not rude, or arrogant, it doesn’t seek it’s own, nor is it provoked, and (wow) thinks no evil.
Love never fails.
Key words in this scripture are “ALL” and “NEVER”
You see, when someone else’s life seems out of order to me and I want to help, my response should be in genuine love. It may not be love if I just want to get my point across because, “I know so much”. If that's the case then maybe I need to keep my mouth shut because the words will be empty and cold, making my faith sound meaningless, fear-driven, guilt-provoking, arrogant, rude, and unkind. Like a clanging cymbal, Empty.
From the desk of
I dreamt I was in a hospital, a large facility, I was in a small car with a sunroof and I was on the roof. I was being hunted or chased by a "Friend".
He caught up to me and told me that he was going to try to knock me off the roof of the car, so stay put. Strangely I felt that I had to let him try. It was like a game that I had to play; I had to stay in the game! But in the dream I had this knower in me that I would always get away from him. In the dream I felt clever and actually was clever.
As I climbed further onto the roof, as to not let him touch my feet through the sunroof, I braced myself to show him that I was waiting for him to start driving so he can "knock me off the roof". Just as he got in the car and closed the door, I very cleverly hopped off the roof and started running! Like in the movies, when the Hero "always gets away"! It was a little comical, LOL.
So I continue to run because he notices that I got away, he is really getting close but I go through the hospital ducking and weaving through doors and locking them along the way. I had a uniform on, scrubs, and a badge and set of keys. I ended up in the pediatric floor and I felt I had lost him. I was at peace even though I knew the chase wasn’t over, I felt that this is part of my life, but never the less I felt ok. The Head-Physician, noticed that I was not from that department and gently asked if I was lost. I told him, "no I know where I am going, thank you" and I headed toward a door that would lead me to a lobby. As I turned to go, the "Physician", stops me and says, gently and sweetly, “You look peaceful here” (almost saying, You have passed a test) and I knew at that moment that I was, indeed, at peace. I continued to exit and found myself back where the dream started and at a distance, someone who is family, sees me coming and starts to laugh and grin and signal to the friend who was chasing me that I was coming. I walked peacefully, although fear wanted to creep up on me, I continued to walk confidently towards the people who awaited my arrival. I felt sorry for this Frenemy because I had out smarted him. I wanted it to be over so as I approached smiling, exhausted and worn, I stuck out my right hand to shake his and call it truce, but he did not want to shake my hand, although he was smiling and seemed to be unconcerned. I insisted that he shake my hand to which he proceeded to extend his left hand. I was hurt by this and told him, “no you need to use your right hand, please extend your right hand.” But when I look at his right hand he intentionally had it tucked into his sleeve, he was really withholding his right hand. He did not want this to be over until he won. Until he knocked me down.
The dream ended and I felt I needed to remember this dream. So I wrote it. Here are something this dream speaks:
Key things in this dream:
What do we do?
Who is the real enemy here?
I feel God says give him the fight of his life, except, it won’t be you doing all the fighting, for the Battle belongs to the Lord. You will maneuver out of this because I will give you the strength and understanding. You will have great peace because you are learning to Trust in me and be confident in my Son who lives in you. You will have compassion for those who want to hurt you, because you know that when people rise up against the Lord’s anointed they really only hurt themselves. Hatred will not enter your heart. Do not be afraid or take it personally for I am at work in their heart. They really battle against me, when they come against you. Be strong and courageous.
She does the Laundry, the groceries, and cooks, cleans and balances checkbooks while holding a baby on her hip. She is involved in multiple projects at once, sometimes works outside of the home, carpools, after waking the children up and helping them get ready for school, she is an activist for human rights, a voice in our communities and at the checkout when she has been charged too much for something, she fights for justice and fairness and yet she loves deeply and is not afraid to show it. She is as beautiful and fragile as the petals of a rose yet as strong as a Palm tree bending in the winds of a storm; she does not break easily. A mother can move mountains when she prays and children fear the Lord because of her. If she were to go on strike, it would be the end of the world. Within her there are life-giving properties. Without a mother there are no children, without children there are no families and without families there is no humanity.
On Mother’s Day we celebrate the gift of God to all humanity, Mothers. For some it is a joyous day, a day of exchanges of gifts, love, hugs and kisses. For others it is a day of sadness remembering their mother who now is not with them. And for some it is a wretched day, a day when they remember that they never knew this person called a mother, a day when they remember their abandonment and or abuse.
While there are more good mothers in the world, we must also acknowledge the fact that there are mothers who left, mothers who weren’t kind, mothers who abused, and mothers who just didn’t care.
Psychologist, counselors and Pastors have agreed that the most influential relationship a person will ever have is the relationship between themselves and their mother; whether the mother was present or not, her actions or absence shapes or marks a child’s life forever. It is no doubt that a mother is essential and important in life.
If a person feels loved and accepted, it can be traced back to a healthy childhood where mom and dad influenced acceptance. Sometimes this comes from grandmothers or aunts and uncles who helped to raise the child, but over all the love of a parent shapes a child’s self-esteem and attitude toward themselves.
But sadly it is also true that if a person feels unloved and unaccepted, there is usually a trace of abandonment in that child’s life and can usually be traced back to the parents.
The relationship between a child and his parents prepares that child to face the world and the relationships that await him.
To the mother’s who have embraced this mission of parenting with love and total commitment, we applauded you today. Today we say thank you. We acknowledge your efforts and hard work. Life isn’t perfect and we aren’t perfect, but our children love us and need us in a way that is like no other.
It is not a secret that some of us moms have wanted to quit at some time. Motherhood is hard. Questions, comparisons, financial hardships, sickness, weariness, and some times just plain boredom can cause a woman to want to give up and run far away where she can regroup and refresh.
But to those of us who haven’t quit, today we say to you, Thank you. We see you and hear you today. We acknowledge and admire your tenacity, a woman who laughs at the days to come because she is clothed with strength and dignity. –Proverbs 31:25 you are fearless and relentless, we see that and are grateful. We thank God for a mother’s prayers. A woman who fears the Lord she shall be praised. –Proverbs 31:30
To the children and husbands and or families that surround our moms today, keep your eyes and your ears open for ways to help mom around the house, encourage her; love her. Watch your words; don’t take her on guilt trips instead take her to the spa or her favorite places. Her heart is sensitive but beats for you.
With much love, Happy Mother’s Day,
We are happy to say that 2015 has gotten started with great energy and enthusiasm as most years do. we are all busy planning and working hard and in all the busyness we run the risk of losing this momentum at any time if we are not diligent to stay connected to the One who gives us that supernatural, faith-driven energy.
I got ready to go to church on Wednesday, I was ready early, I had my hair done, my make-up was on, I was dressed and ready to go when suddenly I felt the urge to stay home. I began to feel a pain on my neck and feel that I needed to stay home. Now usually, I would be battling within myself about staying home from church; I would be telling myself I should push through and go and feel guilty about not going, but to my own surprise I didn't feel bad at all! LOL (so then you feel bad for not feeling bad, right?) anyway, I stayed home.
A few minutes after everyone left, I sat down in my bedroom when suddenly I smelled electrical fire. I searched the room and found the source, which was a space heater and quickly unplugged it. immediately, I felt the Spirit of the Lord say, This is why you had to stay home today. You see, we could have come home to devastation.
I share this with you because we must be careful not to get too busy that we fail to hear the voice of God.
Let's stay close to the source…our Creator our Redeemer.
Lesson 1. Our life should produce in others a longing for more of God.
I am understanding more today that we need to be thankful in all circumstances that push us closer to God. The good the bad and the ugly. We preach this all the time but many don’t really know this; I mean really, really know this!
We say things like:
I don't care what others say or think about me
You only live once
I'm letting it go
I don't care about anything anymore
and all in the same breath we say:
I only care what God has to say about me
I only care about my family
I want to live only for God
But this is an oxymoron because if we really care about what God has to say about us then we will understand that as we draw closer to God we are also drawn to serve Him in all we do, standing for His precepts and striving to live for Him. And how do we do this? well, we live for God as we serve others and live an exemplary life, a life dedicated to holiness. a life transformed. We must love and embrace others in order to show that we are following God; keeping the peace, maintaining a good attitude, sometimes becoming a sacrifice, a doormat for His Glory and allowing others to shape us through opposition! Yes, opposition.
Looking at the circumstances and people who have stirred up crazy emotions in me, I see that it served to produce in me a deeper longing for God and knowing His heart. I wanted to understand, why? I wanted to understand how and where I am, spiritually, in all of this; thus drawing me to the feet of Jesus.
God uses what and who He wants to cause us to draw closer to Him. We must keep our eyes on Him and immediately when opposition comes, we must run and hide in Him. Hide under the shadow of His wings. Run into His arms and ask God, "Show me You in this and show me, ME in this".
I choose to chase God always in every circumstance and not perfection or my own fantasy of self-gratification.
Stand back and look; see from a Holy point of view:
Whether we admire someone else’s pursuit of God or we abhor their distance from God, in everything run into the arms of the savior who produces in us the Fruit of the Holy Spirit and places us in pursuit of a perfect relationship with the Father and not a love affair with the secular mentality of self-perfection and self-gratification. #pleasinggodpleasesme #servantfirst #imustcarebecausehecares
written by BrisyO on 12/2/14